Talk:2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupations/Archive 1
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2024
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Background could be read to mean that it's outside agitators making their way to Columbia rather than students of the university. Here's one way to clarify the situation:
− | Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel students have | + | Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel students have staged demonstrations at Columbia University during the Israel–Hamas war. |
Uhoj (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Mention of "Burn Tel Aviv" and praise for hamas in the article
https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columbia-pauses-in-person-classes-amid-anti-israel-protests/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-palestinian-protesters-outside-columbia-urge-hamas-to-burn-tel-aviv-to-the-ground/ It's claim that they are peaceful protests, so it's important to give context. I think it's important to mention that they are praising hamas (a terror organzation in USA) and are calling to burn tel aviv. 84.110.218.178 (talk) 15:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources
- National Review is considered partisan. I think Times of Israel can be cited.
- We can probably include better sources of the documented antisemitic chants. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- added something to April 21st. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- The only time "burn tel aviv to the ground" appears in the times of israel article is from a linked tweet by a former Israeli ambassador and "Director of the Digital Diplomacy Bureau, Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs." This is not a reliable source. Kire1975 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, times of Israel apparently lurched rightwards sometime in the past few decades. I have no clue what consensus is, its not banned on WP:RSP but its not mentioned either. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- There was a discussion at RSN a while ago, it didn’t really go in depth, but to the best of my knowledge, no consensus against. FortunateSons (talk) 13:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, times of Israel apparently lurched rightwards sometime in the past few decades. I have no clue what consensus is, its not banned on
- The only time "burn tel aviv to the ground" appears in the times of israel article is from a linked tweet by a former Israeli ambassador and "Director of the Digital Diplomacy Bureau, Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs." This is not a reliable source. Kire1975 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think National Review can be cited with attribution, but as we have a likely better source, I agree with no use here as long as those are enough FortunateSons (talk) 13:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- added something to April 21st. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- We should include a section about allegations of antisemitism eventually. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, but I would wait a few days for a clearer picture of the reporting FortunateSons (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
encampment subsection
Encampment section should be separate, not a subsection of background section 2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140 (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2024 (2)
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change: "The protests encouraged other actions at New York University and Yale University." to "The protests encouraged other actions at New York University, Yale University, MIT, Tufts University, Emerson College, and University of Michigan." Oldhum (talk) 20:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Current iteration of the sentence in question has been altered to reflect an entire page made regarding this topic, being ) 06:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand what a merge discussion has to do with this sentence. Brusquedandelion (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 22 April 2024
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The result of the move request was: 17:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because the proposed title does not provide relevant information (it's at Columbia University in 2024) and few sources have described it this way. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 22:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose we don't have to use the ) 22:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, Gaza Solidarity Encampment redirects to this page anyways, and the scope of the article is beyond just the area of tents being that there is activity all over campus and around its perimeter as well. Evaporation123 (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose we should use the name commonly used in the sources. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to NPOV name without adequate justification, and different name used by RS. FortunateSons (talk) 07:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose inappropriate and not widely used EmyRussell (talk) 23:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'm mostly concerned with WP:TOOSOON to use the official name, but I think there is a strong argument to be made for WP:NPOV in the name as well. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: suggest close per SNOW FortunateSons (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Cherrypicked Response section?
Is everyone condemning the occupation? Noone in support? The Response section looks like it was made to deliberately include only the response that condemn the occupation. 2A02:85F:E058:1000:8CB0:8FDA:A957:83E9 (talk) 13:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- The vast majority of government authorities in the United States are solidly pro-Israel. Evaporation123 (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Does it matter? If you see something you want to add and it has WP:RSto support it, please do.
- BTW, I added AOC today. She condemned the university and the police. Kire1975 (talk) 01:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think we should clean up response section, but didn't know how to. Just added a section summarizing the allegations of antisemitism User:Sawerchessread (talk) 18:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
WKCR as source?
WKCR is reporting that the president of the university has declared a state of emergency on campus. I see here radio can be cited as a source here but it mentions "series" and doesn't have barely any detail at all besides that. It's not like there's a record of it that people can verify. What the consensus? Kire1975 (talk) 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, WKCR were reporting on a second hand report from "The Quad" (whatever that is) that they got from the University Senate about the President declaring a state of emergency. So that's not a reliable report. Never mind. Kire1975 (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably wouldn't pass WP:V if there is no record of it. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
"Other Protests" section should mention the protests outside of the United States
Currently, the "other protests" section of this article says it is an excerpt from the
Timeline
Should we consider a different structure instead of counting every day of events? Clearly some dates are more important than others.
If this encampment goes several days more, maybe we can try to do some different structure. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- For now it seems OK, but only just, moving forward it should be improved to avoid suffering from WP:OVERSECTION given that) 18:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
"Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings."
Maybe a week by week structure could be implemented, even as early as next week; April 17–21, April 22–28, April 29 – present, etc. At present, based on the current content, April 25 and 27 are a case of over-sectioning, arguably 21 & 22 also. CommunityNotesContributor (talk- I was coming to this talk page to propose some subsection merges. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Outdated lead
The lead doesn't successfully summarise the body per
For example similar to the second lead paragraph of the
Consider this over?
As far as I know, the NYPD busted in an arrested everyone, shouldn't that count as an end to this? Unless, that is, I don't have all the information. BurnerAcountOneThousandAndOne (talk) 05:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- likely too soon to know. protestors were arrested on day one, and it started up again almost immediately. Jjazz76 (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024
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NYPD/Mayor Eric Adams has reported at a 9AM press conference that during the "Operation Columbia" where they went into Hamilton Hall, 119 were arrested. Please change "over 100" to 119. Squiddyonwiki (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- please provide a link to the source that you've read Abo Yemen✉ 14:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full numbers cited here (apologies I had a typo; it's 109 not 119, according to police): https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-protests-nypd-arrests/
- here is a full live stream of the press conference this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhAcFPVCVVE Squiddyonwiki (talk) 17:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Add the demand of protest for "food-aid" for protestors
the article only state that the protests demanding the university divest from Israel
a, the protest demands 3 things but only 1 is stated in the article
"PROTEST DEMANDS Protesters were seeking three demands from Columbia: divestment from companies supporting Israel's government, greater transparency in university finances, and amnesty for students and faculty disciplined over the protests."
b, beside thus 3 demands that came before the take over of the hall, during the occupation they have added a new demand which I think should be mentioned in this article:
"Pro-Palestinian protesters occupying Columbia University's Hamilton Hall have demanded that the university allow food and water to be brought to them, framing it as "basic humanitarian aid.""
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/columbia-university-students-pro-palestinian-protesters-demand-food-occupy-hamilton-hall-israel-hamas-war-2533769-2024-05-01 79.176.106.171 (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Adding Shafik Communications To Columbia Students
https://bwog.com/2024/05/president-shafik-thanks-nypd-for-professionalism-hoping-columbia-will-heal-together/ 128.59.178.128 (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- This might be good to add about Shafik's response in the most recent update. 209.2.225.92 (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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Put the College of William and Mary into the map of universities in protest as blue. It has had many Israel-Hamas war protests, including a disruption organized by W&M SJP of a meeting with former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates:
https://flathatnews.com/2024/01/23/cvrp-places-students-for-justice-in-palestine-on-probation-campus-organizations-emphasize-need-for-safe-spaces/ Raginbakin (talk) 04:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: This may not be obvious, but the source for the map isn't part of this page - it is an excerpt from this article, so requests to change it should be made on that talk page.
- These sources discuss protests during and prior to January 2024. However, the caption under the map says it shows campuses with
protests in April 2024
. Unless there have been more recent demonstrations William and Mary shouldn't be added. Jamedeus (talk) 21:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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