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Requested move 12 March 2020
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move buidhe 10:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
reliable sources tend to use "Back That Azz Up", including Copyright in a Global Information Economy published by Wolters Kluwer and Groove Interrupted: Loss, Renewal, and the Music of New Orleans published by Macmillan Publishers. The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit court decision regarding this song, Positive Black Talk Inc. v. Cash Money Records Inc., also used "Back That Azz Up". — Newslinger talk 21:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 20:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Oppose - the secondary sources used in the article don't agree with your conclusion. It charted as "Thang". great care, and so shouldn't be taken into consideration for this purpose. -- Netoholic @ 05:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)]
- I've added the secondary book sources to the article. Both of the books cover the court case. As the Billboard charts are primary sources, these books are currently the only secondary sources in the article. — Newslinger talk 06:40, 13 March 2020 (UTC)]
- Billboard is not a primary source. They are reporting on both the title of the work and on its relative performance ranking as gathered by them from primary sources. Also, those book sources only discuss the context of the specific court case, they do nothing to provide evidence of COMMONNAME in the wider sense. Billboard sources do that. -- Netoholic @ 13:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Chart positions are numbers obtained from a formula that takes raw analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources". All four of the Billboard citations in Special:Permalink/945324293 link to Billboard chart positions (which are primary) and not Billboard articles (which are secondary). Billboard isn't even consistent with the name of the song for their chart positions, with this Juvenile chart page and this Mannie Fresh chart page both using "Back That Azz Up".]
I've added more reliable secondary sources using "Back That Azz Up", including Rolling Stone (RSP entry), Pitchfork, BuzzFeed News (RSP entry), and the Los Angeles Times (RSP entry), to the article. I've also added a Billboard article that uses "Back That Azz Up". Currently, all of the secondary sources in the article use "Back That Azz Up". — Newslinger talk 03:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- A fair handling of this would have been to not WP:CHERRYPICK sources which came up in a keyword search, but to represent all coverage of this topic in your sources. When I voted, I did a search myself and found that most sources (not included in the article, but available) both make a distinction between the versions, and recognize "Thang" as the most popular and recognized version. Leaving my vote as it is. -- Netoholic @ 13:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)]
- A fair handling of this would have been to not
- Chart positions are numbers obtained from a formula that takes raw
- Billboard is not a primary source. They are reporting on both the title of the work and on its relative performance ranking as gathered by them from primary sources. Also, those book sources only discuss the context of the specific court case, they do nothing to provide evidence of COMMONNAME in the wider sense. Billboard sources do that. -- Netoholic @ 13:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- I've added the secondary book sources to the article. Both of the books cover the court case. As the Billboard charts are
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genre
may we PLEASE add as genre 'hip hop' & 'dirty rap'? Monkeylady999 (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 14 May 2024
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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Back That Thang Up → Back That Azz Up
– "Back That Azz Up" is in fact the common name of this song, despite claims to the contrary. Wikipedia is not censored, and the original rationale for moving this page to the clean version's title was inappropriate. As one of the greatest (both my opinion and fact) and most-well known songs in hip-hop, this article should bear its proper title. Here are some sources supporting that BTAU is the common name:
- Various rankings/lists, including Complex/Andrew Noz's The 50 Best New Orleans Rap Songs, Andrew Noz's Best Rap of 1999, Pitchfork's The Best Southern Rap Songs of the '90s, Audacy's Top 50 Hip-Hop Songs of All Time, Consequence's 50 Best Hip-Hop Songs of All Time, The Recording Academy's Guide To Southern Hip-Hop, NPR's "Celebration of Southern Rap", BET's hip-hop anthems
- I think its use in lists is significant because a publication or website would tend to use the most common or well-known name so that the reader immediately knows what song is being discussed or ranked.
- Brief mentions in reliable secondary sources: Washington Post article "50 hip-hop artists share 50 songs they love", Billboard Magazine article, Rolling Stone article about Cash Money, Vulture article about Cash Money, New Orleans Times-Picayune 1 New Orleans Times-Picayune article 2 New Orleans Times-Picayune article 3
- Others: The Making Of Juvenile's "Back That Azz Up" With Mannie Fresh (Genius Deconstructed)
To show that I am not cherrypicking sources, here are a few that primarily or solely refer to the song as "Back That Thang Up":
- 2000 NYT Article "A Trendsetter On Rap's Fringe" - "known in its radio-friendly version as 'Back That Thang Up'"
- Tennessean article
- New Orleans Times-Picayune article
- Fox News article about Tom Steyer dancing to the song - "...Juvenile performed a rendition of 'Back that Thang Up' -- the PG version of the 1999 classic 'Back that Azz Up.'"
- AL.com ranking of essential southern hip-hop albums
- Rolling Stone article about "Vax That Thang Up"
I think it's worth noting that some of these publications may not have wanted to print the word "ass" or "azz", and therefore the usage of "Back That Thang Up" might not be an indicator of that being the most popular name for the song. Llacb47 (talk) 15:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Llacb47 (talk) 22:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Change title to "Back That Azz Up" per sources listed and WP:GOOGLETEST. benǝʇᴉɯ 00:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)]
- Support ngrams support too. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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