Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P80 Air

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The result was delete‎. E/C with Owen. I'd normally consider draftification ahead of its potential launch, but given socking concerns I don't think that's a viable solution here. Star Mississippi 13:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P80 Air

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Promo sock creation for an airline that might begin operations late 2024. Fails GNG and NCORP, sources in article and found in BEFORE do not have WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  22:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Travel and tourism, Aviation, and Thailand. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Saw this in NPP and debated taking it to AfD myself. Agree fully with the nomination. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete:
  WP:NCORP. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep. It's not WP:TOOSOON if there are already independent reliable sources providing in-depth coverage of the subject, and Thai business news media have been doing so with their own analyses of the family's business structure since 2022.[1][2][3][4] --Paul_012 (talk) 09:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  None of the above sources meets WP:SIRS

  1. promotional from MarketingOops.com
  2. name mention, no SIGCOV
  3. Youtube promo video
  4. Promo about founder, nothing SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth

   // Timothy :: talk  12:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I beg to differ.

  1. Marketingoops is an online magazine covering brands and advertising; the content in their articles is their original analysis. They do carry PR pieces, which are tagged "PR News" at the top, like these. The above piece is not one of them.
  2. The Manager 360° business magazine article is about the airline business landscape, focusing on two emerging airlines—Really Cool Airlines and P80 Air—plus the established Bangkok Airways. So the subject is the focus of a third of the article, not a mere name mention.
  3. The YouTube video is a news scoop by the online arm of Thansettakij, a major business newspaper, discussing how the airline fits into owners' businesses properties, and its announced business plans. It is not a promo video created by the subject.
  4. The Thansettakij article has four paragraphs discussing the airline. Granted, it's not the main focus of the article, which is about the owners and their business group.

  --Paul_012 (talk) 14:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete promotional, not yet independently covered or fully launched airlines. --扱. し. 侍. (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This user was blocked a few hours ago with this rationale: "Using Wikipedia for
    sock/meatpuppetry". Cunard (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]

  Blocked for spamming. MER-C 09:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources found by Paul 012 (talk · contribs), whose detailed analysis shows that P80 Air meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria through significant coverage in the national newspaper Manager Daily, the major business newspaper Thansettakij [th], and the magazine Marketing Oops!. Cunard (talk) 09:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • I disagree with the statement below that these sources contain only "Regurgitated company info and announcements and exec profiles". While there are quotes from company officials, these sources also contain original independent analysis about the company. Cunard (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Regurgitated company info and announcements and exec profiles does not meet GNG/
  HighKing⁺⁺ 13:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Draftify. Plenty of SIGCOV is likely to surface once the airline starts operating, which is expected within the six month draft lifespan. Nothing gained from deleting now and recreating a couple of months from now. @TimothyBlue: does this sound reasonable? Owen× ☎ 13:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.