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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was delete‎. After discarding !votes with no basis in policy (which occurred on both sides of the discussion), there is a narrow balance of both !votes and arguments in favor of deletion, taking into consideration that most of the valid keep !votes were phrased as "weak" keeps and acknowledged the paucity of available sourcing. signed, Rosguill talk 17:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuno Miles

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as much as i love yuno, the only reliable source that talks about him is this, which makes him not notable Authenyo (talk) 00:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i typed this crying knowing that big wikipedia will delete yuno miles Authenyo (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is notable in my opinion; while I am not a fan of his music he does have almost 1 million followers on spotify and has been drawn even further into the public eye by his Drake diss. OJSimpsonLover (talk) 03:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that this page should be entirely erased. It has a good structure, some notability, and there's other pages that should probably be deleted. I vote no for this page deletion. Also why did that OJSimpsonLover fella get blocked??? It says for vandalism but he was just giving his opinion. TheEpicApartmentLord (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(insert reminder of
Only sockpuppets have a strike-comments policy. Or was there something I've missed? Aaron Liu (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I've removed the striking of the comment. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OJSimpsonLover was blocked for vandalism and his inappropriate username. However, he was not just a blatant vandal, but also a subtler troll: some of his comments appear to be in good faith and were aimed at confusing other users and administrators, making his block less likely. I also believe he was a sockpuppet for his demonstrated familiarity with the customs and policies of Wikipedia and his technical proficiency in areas such as wikitext and referencing. I therefore believe it was reasonable for me to assume that his comment was intended to disrupt the Wikipedia project and should have been struck through. Air on White (talk) 04:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They have not made any comments that I find questionable and do not seem to be familiar with Wikipedia at all. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't the place to discuss vandalism or sockpuppetry, so I'll end this discussion here. But I'm willing to continue this discussion (at another page) if anyone is interested, particularly if someone is making an SPI case. Air on White (talk) 01:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC) edited Air on White (talk) 01:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source
Independent?
 Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward
GNG
?
https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/music/news-who-yuno-miles-fans-react-youtuber-releases-hilarious-drake-diss-response-metro-boomin-s-challenge Yes No
WP:RSP
: user-generated 		Yes ✘ No
https://www.rapreviews.com/2023/11/yuno-miles-yuno-i-cant-rap/ Yes Yes Yes ✔ Yes
https://www.sescoops.com/wwe/rapper-yuno-miles-releases-wwe-diss-track-im-beefing-with-the-wwe Yes Yes Probably, website has multiple writers and this one has a degree Yes ✔ Yes
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/the-age-of-shitpost-modernism/ Yes Yes ~ One example with only one mention ~ Partial
https://gizmodo.com/saga-bbl-drizzy-drake-kendrick-lamar-metro-boomin-1851470820 Yes Yes ~ Only one mention as "The Meme Diss Track"; in the article's slides. ~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
  • Here's a table. I don't think two is enough, is it? Aaron Liu (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe most editors would consider two enough. Air on White (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SE Scoops is two videos and two quotes of his, with about 5 lines of text otherwise, might be a RS but that's hardly extensive coverage. Maybe 1/2 a source, being generous. I'd still like to see more than these two sources, neither of which is extensive. Oaktree b (talk) 23:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? The entire article is about a diss track he released.
I do agree that two sources is a bit far from keeping, though. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that pythoncoder has provided a video reference with The Tonight Show, I think that tips the scales towards a weak keep. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think this discussion needs more time so I'm relisting it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I can't believe I have to say this but Wikipedia doesn't care that you personally think this article subject is notable. Our subjective judgments are irrelevant to AFD decisions. The question is, are there sufficient reliable sources to establish notability? Are the sources located by User:pythoncoder and any other editors adequate to demonstrate GNG? That's the important question here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe I have to say this but I don't care what you have to say either ☞ Rim < Talk | Edits > 20:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
relax bro we all have to follow wikipedia's notability rules and not our own. but ye i think yuno miles is notable, also due to the sources in that chart above, or at least surely will be soon because i have no doubt yuno will get more news coverage. Freedun (yap) 20:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yea you right bro mb. I just be insulted when I'm just tryna throw in my two cents n somebody sayin they speakin on "behalf" of wikipedia and that my opinion doesn't matter, just rude and insulting u know? but yea the sources are kinda scarce, i think his page might get deleted for now, but u right we'll def get more news coverage soon ☞ Rim < Talk | Edits > 20:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the truth is, on Wikipedia, opinions are weighted based on relation to policy. Arguments with actual basis in policy has more weight. You'd have to be really convincing to make a non−policy based argument. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yea its kinda weird and ik wikipedia doesn't have a lot of rapper articles even for example f1lthy (i just made it last night). anyone who watches tiktok knows these people but whatever. if it gets deleted ill remake it after there's more news coverage Freedun (yap) 20:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yuno Miles' music is unique. Also his song was trending on YouTube and hit music charts. Also he will hit 1m subs soon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freedun (talk • contribs)

User:Freedun, I want to know how you know about anything called AFD when you literally joined some minutes ago. What was your previous account? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what is AFD? I dont think i had an account from the past but i edited my schools wikipedia page in the past so maybe i did but im not sure Freedun (talk) 04:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Freedun, that is my point. What is the school and your former name. It might help us know how to analyse your argument as it may lay on "a new user". Tell me the account and why you left after writing your schools page. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
uh sorry dude I'm not comfortable telling you what high school i went to... Freedun (talk) 05:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is unusual a new editor coming to !vote in an AFD. There is something going on. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
uh ok? Freedun (talk) 06:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
actually imma say weak keep like Roasted beanz Freedun (talk) 06:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Miles has fans and they saw the article's deletion notice and came here, duh. It's not unusual but unfortunate. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source
Independent?
 Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward
GNG
?
http://www.onestowatch.com/en/blog/meet-yuno-miles-the-internets-favorite-rapper Yes Was about the rapper No Ones to watch is a music blog and by the virtue of looking at the written content, it made me feel to notify people of a notable blog it is. Another example
Bella Naija
. 		No Blog, equally advertorial. ✘ No
https://www.theneedledrop.com/interviews/2023/11/a-conversation-with-yuno-miles Yes An interview should always be independent as the person interviewed always say about him; those which aren't verifiable at most times. No Per
WP:THENEEDLEDROP
. 		No Its an interview per
WP:INTERVIEW
or related. 		✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJWNQSIoNE No Clip of played music. The full show should have contained other stuffs. Yes The show is reliable and notable as well. No In the context, the music was played within any discussion of it's nature, etc. I could have taken it as a review but no! ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why writing styles disqualify reliability, not to mention the ridiculous notion that that affects the SIGCOV part of the criteria. As said above, the site is ran by writers of an industry giant. This makes it highly likely that they are reliable (reputation, libel & stuff), and I can't find any incidences of false reporting. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Show me their editorial guideline for publication and team. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't find any so far, but it seems to be the same people, so I'm asking this at RSN.
Also, I feel like the two sources above and mentions add up to give this borderline notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
also I looked closer into the requirements for Wikipedia musicians and Yuno Miles "has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability" because they are highly known for meme rap Freedun (yap) 19:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You need sources that claim that. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
tbh its just well known but this article looks applicable: [5] Freedun (yap) 04:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call that genre-representing, but while it's not significant coverage, it is more than a passing mention, and as said above, I feel like that, other non-trivial mentions, and the two sources I've found above confer notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ye i agree. Freedun (yippity yap) 07:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Good sources are pretty scarce right now, but he did get reviewed on RapReviews and namechecked on Pitchfork. Close enough. 162 etc. (talk) 19:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per
    WP:BLP1E. If the biography of living person has reliable sources and news, then, the draft shall be created (it already started the draft, so what else?). Qadri223 Talk or discuss only my contributions to the Wikipedia 03:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @Qadri223 Yes, the article meets the draft criteria, but how the heck does that mean it should be deleted? There is more history here than the Drake event as seen in the Pitchfork and RapReviews coverage above. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:BLP1E says only event but yuno miles has multiple songs in multiple sources so i dont think that makes sense at all. also that draft is way worse so why would we want to use that over this Freedun (yippity yap) 11:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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