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I believe categories that say "Czech Republic" should only cover 1993 on
I believe categories that explicitly say "Czech Republic" should only include things from 1993 on. This I think especially applies to categories by place,like establishments in the Czech Rwpublic and deaths in the Czech Republic. By not abiding by this rule, some editors are pushing to have people who died in say 1935 in both Tuberculosis deaths in the Czech Republic and Tuberculosis deaths in Czecoslovakia. I think this just leads to Category clutter. Now CEch people and it's sub-categories can have larger scopes. However I think we need to keep in mind that many residents of areas now in the Czech Republic when it was part of the Kingdom of Bohemia, the Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary did not view themselves as Czech. In fact up until 1945 at least in the Sudentenland you had a large population that identified as German, not Czech. Further back you have more such people also in Prague. Once Bohemia become part of the Habsburg Lands, But especially in the Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary you have lots of people move around the Empire, so residence is not a hood proxy for ethnicity, and with a de facto unified Empire, there is no local nationality to consider. We should not assume those who are from Bohemia were Czech, we need other evidence to show this. However since deaths are by place and not by nationality, and say "Czech Republic", I think using the term pre-1993 is not needed, especially since the 75 years of Czechoslovakia exceeds the 30 of the Czech Republic. Also any case of cause of death that we do not have enough cases for in a particular country we can place in the direct cause of death Category. Personally I think we have been far too quick to subdivide cause of death categories by place without showing good reason why. We might want yo Aldo ask should deaths be subdivided by place of by nationality. Do we care where a person died, or for we care what their nationality was when they died?John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and I recategorized 4 pages and 1 category in Category:1991 establishments in the Czech Republic, but the way you put this across, it is a wider issue. Can you give some concrete examples of categories in which you think articles are misplaced? C679 14:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is an issue with the main Czech Republic article, with some editors arguing that its scope goes before 1993. (as opposed to history information being briefly covered as background) (t · c) buidhe 15:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]