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Please update the death totals for women and children for this article.

Original: More than 31,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the start of the Israeli operation,[51] including more than 13,000 children and 9,000 women.[52] with another 7,000 people missing and presumed dead under the rubble of destroyed buildings.[53][54]

New: More than 35,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the start of the Israeli operation,^[1] including more than 7,800 children and 4,900 women, with another 10,000 people missing and presumed dead under the rubble of destroyed buildings.^[2]

Additional context:

The original information is incorrect. The UN changed its reporting to source these numbers to Gaza Ministry of Health statistics instead of the Gaza Government Media Office's (GMO's) numbers between May 6 and May 8. Because the UN is ultimately the source of the original numbers and UNICEF is mis-citing the original stats, they should be changed. UNICEF cites the numbers as from Gaza Ministry of Health, but according to BBC (and other sources), those numbers are from GMO, not Ministry of Health: Bottom of pg 2, ^[3]

It may be appropriate to add a section to Misinformation regarding this change, since this inherently reflects the UN's perception that the GMO numbers dramatically overstated the percentage of women and children killed since the beginning of the conflict. That is the reason for time sensitivity around this change.

Because the numbers are closer to, but below round numbers, it is potentially easier to understand as, "including close to 8,000 children and 5,000 women." Qmarkp (talk) 21:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Qmarkp[reply]

 Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2A00:23C8:180B:9F00:8439:9B86:7821:5F83 (talk) 23:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Amount of Hamas fighters estimate is 20,000-25,000 fighters. US says 30%-35% killed. so ranging 7,000-8,750 kia[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a

"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Apologies if formatting is made incorrectly. I believe it is essential that all casualty information coming from the Gaza ministry of health includes the disclaimer that the ministry is Hamas-run, and casualties include Hamas militants. Additionally, many comments related to most casualties being women and children is no longer corroborated by the UN, and this should just say 'many of the casualties are woman and children'. These changes are necessary to ensure Wikipedia maintains its political neutrality. Public Transit User (talk) 00:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. This is subject of a discussion at the main article. Selfstudier (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the "May 15" subsection of the "Attack on Rafah" section of the article, I recommend changing "A IDF tank fired into a building housing them." to "An IDF tank fired into a building housing them." to fix grammar. Anonymous Libertarian (talk) 08:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — kashmīrī ^TALK 14:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change nothing at the end of the second paragraph in impersonations section of the misinformation section of the article to: "The video was originally posted on the israeli government foreign ministry's Arabic twitter account and it was boosted by Edward Haïm Cohen Halala, who has reported ties to the israeli government, who has a popular social media presence with an Arabic following." using the three sources, daily beast for the foreign ministrys account being the source, newsweek for Edy Cohen boosting it and misbar for Edy Cohen having ties to the israeli government. https://www.thedailybeast.com/israels-comically-bad-disinfo-proves-theyre-losing-pr-war https://www.newsweek.com/israeli-influencer-denies-playing-gaza-nurse-viral-video-1844715 https://misbar.com/en/editorial/2023/08/18/how-does-edy-cohen-stir-up-controversy-and-mislead-the-arab-public-opinion Fanccr (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done See corresponding excerpted page. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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– Just like we don't have a date on

• Support per nom Parham wiki (talk) 12:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support while both 2009 and 2014 saw boots on the ground, this current war saw a longer protracted invasion and a guerrilla war longer than both of the other instances combined. It is distinct enough to warrant its own name The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 03:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Deals with the date issue and provides a disambiguation for reader convenience. Selfstudier (talk) 09:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Unlike the Israel–Hamas war example in the nom, and despite the recent events, surely the 1967 invasion during the
  WP:RECENTISM I don't think there's a clear winner here and I think the current situation of having a disambiguation page is correct. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 06:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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  the events that occurred in Gaza since them have all sprung from that. I don't think that's the case. The current events, a de facto leveling of Gaza arise by virtue of Hamas involvement in Gaza and all of the subsequent Israel Gaza wars. For that matter, the 67 war is not the only invasion, there was 48 and the Suez crisis and the unsourced cherry picking of the ptopic is merely an assertion on your part. Selfstudier (talk) 10:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think I'm the one who's "cherry-picking" here... I'm saying there's no primary topic between the multiple invasions of this territory over the years, particularly the original one that kicked off the whole concept of Gaza being a disputed territory in the first place, whereas you're making the classic mistake of saying "this item in the news right now must be the primary topic because it's important and getting loads of coverage". Perhaps I phrased my oppose poorly, because I'm not saying the current invasion isn't a contender for PT, only that it isn't the only one and it is

  WP:RECENTISM to claim otherwise. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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  The situation bears comparison with Israel–Hamas_war -> Gaza–Israel conflict / Gaza War.

  Then Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip should maybe go there as IHwar does since it is a component of the same war (the dates were also removed for IH war even though there are many wars between Israel and Hamas, just titled differently.

  However it is resolved for disambiguation purposes, I still think the dates should come off the same as for IH war (or the dates should go back on for that). Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The 1967 invasion of Gaza was very much part of the invasion of Sinai. It is possible in the future that we spinout

  ping on reply) 13:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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  Whether or not there would be a dedicated article to the invasion of Gaza in 1967 isn't really relevant in determining primary topic. It could be a

  WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, whichever broader article it falls under. This title is a descriptive sentence-case name describing the event, not a specific proper name such as "World War II". And the question we ask ourselves is which historical events that descriptive name could describe. Did Israel invade the Gaza strip in 1967? Of course they did. Did they also do so in 2023? Yes. So both those topics are contenders for primacy here. Dismissing the 1967 one as part of a wider campaign is missing the point. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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